| Cliff Notes: Crazy white guy spouts anti-muslim stuff to women on a train. Three men intervene to help out the Muslim women. Crazy guy kills two of them with a knife and wounds the other. Crazy guy flees the train but is soon captured by police. Muslim Women No where to be found for police questioning. The council for Islamic relations puts blame on Trump. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5929362ce4b053f2d2acaf56?ncid=engmodushpmg00000003 |
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| People are crazy, but you can't put the blame on Trump for something that a random man did? What he did was terrible nonetheless, he could have just had his argument and left. Probably was on drugs or something. |
SpamuraiSensei said: Almost like when people put blame on Islam for ISIS? Not taking a stance either way, just wondering if you see the irony in this.The council for Islamic relations puts blame on Trump. |
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Pirating_Ninja said: SpamuraiSensei said: Almost like when people put blame on Islam for ISIS? Not taking a stance either way, just wondering if you see the irony in this.The council for Islamic relations puts blame on Trump. Yeah, I do. Just threw those cliffs in there for easier reading. |
Pirating_Ninja said: There's a fundamental difference between blaming an ideology and blaming an individual. To blame an ideology, one needs to look at its teachings and the behavior of those who follow it. To blame an individual, you need definitive proof of their direct involvement. A more accurate comparison would be to blame Nouman Ali Khan for the Manchester Bombing. Which is an entirely silly accusation as well.SpamuraiSensei said: Almost like when people put blame on Islam for ISIS? Not taking a stance either way, just wondering if you see the irony in this.The council for Islamic relations puts blame on Trump. Unless you want to treat Trump as an ideology, which might not be that far off for some at this point. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: To blame an ideology, one would need to look at core components of said ideology, and said ideology alone - However, to blame an ideology based on individual's interpretation and application is incorrect for the same reason one does not blame Trump for this attack. You are conflating the actions of individuals as being representative of the ideology, no different than those who would blame Trump for this are conflating individuals as being representative of what it is that he stands for.Pirating_Ninja said: There's a fundamental difference between blaming an ideology and blaming an individual. To blame an ideology, one needs to look at its teachings and the behavior of those who follow it. To blame an individual, you need definitive proof of their direct involvement. Almost like when people put blame on Islam for ISIS? Not taking a stance either way, just wondering if you see the irony in this. |
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Pirating_Ninja said: It would be fair enough if it were just one man committing terror in the name of Islam. To see a consistent, predictable pattern, however, is something that should engage an honest discussion about what exactly Islam means to certain groups of people. Specifically the fundamental difference between what Islam means to westerners as opposed to what it means to people coming from countries where Islamic tribalism reigns supreme.Ratohnhaketon said: To blame an ideology, one would need to look at core components of said ideology - However, to blame an ideology based on individual's interpretation and application is incorrect for the same reason one does not blame Trump for this attack. You are conflating the actions of individuals as being representative of the ideology, no different than those who would blame Trump for this are conflating individuals as being representative of what it is that he stands for.There's a fundamental difference between blaming an ideology and blaming an individual. To blame an ideology, one needs to look at its teachings and the behavior of those who follow it. To blame an individual, you need definitive proof of their direct involvement. |
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Pirating_Ninja said: Um, I think they blame Islam as an ideology exactly because of their teaching and all, not just about a few individual action, the individual action only made them strengthen their stance on said ideology.Ratohnhaketon said: To blame an ideology, one would need to look at core components of said ideology, and said ideology alone - However, to blame an ideology based on individual's interpretation and application is incorrect for the same reason one does not blame Trump for this attack. You are conflating the actions of individuals as being representative of the ideology, no different than those who would blame Trump for this are conflating individuals as being representative of what it is that he stands for.There's a fundamental difference between blaming an ideology and blaming an individual. To blame an ideology, one needs to look at its teachings and the behavior of those who follow it. To blame an individual, you need definitive proof of their direct involvement. |
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| 10 shitposts says his aggravated murder blah blah just means he'll be canned for a year or two |
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Ratohnhaketon said: No. You see a consistent pattern of terrorists being Muslims; HOWEVER, you do NOT see a consistent pattern of Muslims being terrorists. You are conflating the two by confirming the former to assert the latter, and then claim to be interested in an "honest discussion". This rationale is markedly "dishonest". Pirating_Ninja said: It would be fair enough if it were just one man committing terror in the name of Islam. To see a consistent, predictable pattern, however, is something that should engage an honest discussion about what exactly Islam means to certain groups of people. Specifically the fundamental difference between what Islam means to westerners as opposed to what it means to people coming from countries where Islamic tribalism reigns supreme.To blame an ideology, one would need to look at core components of said ideology - However, to blame an ideology based on individual's interpretation and application is incorrect for the same reason one does not blame Trump for this attack. You are conflating the actions of individuals as being representative of the ideology, no different than those who would blame Trump for this are conflating individuals as being representative of what it is that he stands for. |
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| hello random crazy person do a baad clearly tumps fault ! |
Ratohnhaketon said: If you are looking at patterns then focusing on Islam = terrorism alone doesn't give you the full story. To fully discuss you have to start asking questions like : It would be fair enough if it were just one man committing terror in the name of Islam. To see a consistent, predictable pattern, however, is something that should engage an honest discussion about what exactly Islam means to certain groups of people. Specifically the fundamental difference between what Islam means to westerners as opposed to what it means to people coming from countries where Islamic tribalism reigns supreme. Why was Islamic terrorism barely existent on European and American soil in the 20th century? Why does America and Western Europe suffer more from Islamic terrorist attacks than Muslim majority Central Asia? In the western hemisphere why are the US and Western Europe the main targets for Islamic terrorist attacks but not also Christian majority Latin America and the Caribbean? Is Islamic terrorism purely because of religion or is there also a political goal behind it? |
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| the situation would still be placed at the same time even if hillary became elected lol |
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| Quite ironic, as if a Muslim did this she could be called a terrorist. This man is doing exactly what he is preaching against. |
| I've seen some people via facebook saying the guy was mentally ill and how we need to expand mental health services. My thought is this: The man had NO reason to harass the two islamic women. The man had NO reason to stab those three men. I hope the bastard gets life in prison or, even better, the death penalty (If it exists in Oregon). While I personally find it crazy that people put direct blame onto Trump, Trump's rhetoric is something that could've influenced this man to do this horrible act, and it ought to be addressed (even though I doubt it will be). |
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| This guy was a Die Hard Bernie Supporter. https://imgur.com/a/QsVkC  |
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Pirating_Ninja said: Ah, the "not all triangles" argument. Except that pointing out the disproportionate amount of terrorism carried out in the name of Islam is not the same as saying that Islam is a prerequisite for terrorism. What I am saying, however, is that there is a culture that nurtures and cultivates this trend. It's a tribalism that's made most convenient with Islam. That's exactly what the Sunni-Shia conflict in the Middle East is - a war between tribes. It's willful ignorance to pretend those are simply denominations akin to Presbyterian vs Baptist.Ratohnhaketon said: No. You see a consistent pattern of terrorists being Muslims; HOWEVER, you do NOT see a consistent pattern of Muslims being terrorists. You are conflating the two by confirming the former to assert the latter, and then claim to be interested in an "honest discussion". This rationale is markedly "dishonest". It would be fair enough if it were just one man committing terror in the name of Islam. To see a consistent, predictable pattern, however, is something that should engage an honest discussion about what exactly Islam means to certain groups of people. Specifically the fundamental difference between what Islam means to westerners as opposed to what it means to people coming from countries where Islamic tribalism reigns supreme. As an agnostic, I'm not particularly concerned with what "real Islam" is. As far as I'm concerned, it's all make believe. What I care about, however, is recognizing a clear distinction between westernized Islam vs the tribal radicalism that has possessed the Middle East even predating Islam during the ancient Mesopotamian and Persian empires. @DrGeroCreation - As a general rule of thumb, most religious wars and crusades are facades for power politics. I think if people would re-read my posts, I haven't actually ever condemned Islam on the whole or castigated it as the sole progenitor of the terrorism committed in its name. Frankly it's just that people want seek wish fulfillment, read my posts, and think "Okay I found this Daily Stormer, Andrew Anglin-esque racist. Now I'm going to let him have it." I'm just...beyond sick of this topic really. If you really want to know, I've been a middleman for Islam even despite the overwhelming pressure from both sides to demonize me if I don't join them. I've tried to have honest conversations about various reforms that the Islamic world needs only to be called a bigot. I've tried to tell people I know that you can't simply quote the Quran out of context and then say it's a death cult only to have it fall on deaf ears. To some humorous degree, it reminds me of when SAO was airing and people who were neither fans nor haters were vilified for not having strong opinions one way or the other. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Eh? Sorry, do you mean "Not all Scotsman"? Although I pray not, as you are applying this then in the reverse of where it is applicable.Pirating_Ninja said: Ah, the "not all triangles" argument.No. You see a consistent pattern of terrorists being Muslims; HOWEVER, you do NOT see a consistent pattern of Muslims being terrorists. You are conflating the two by confirming the former to assert the latter, and then claim to be interested in an "honest discussion". This rationale is markedly "dishonest". Ratohnhaketon said: Your original point would imply this as you were arguing that it is wrong to blame Trump for this, but not wrong to blame Islam for terror. (I know you have gotten off track, but scroll up, it's there still).Except that pointing out the disproportionate amount of terrorism carried out in the name of Islam is not the same as saying that Islam is a prerequisite for terrorism. Ratohnhaketon said: Catholicism v. Protestants? Much of Europe was shaped by such wars. It actually wasn't until Europe became more secular that these "tribal" tendencies died down. I would argue that the persistence in the Middle East is due to constant poverty - Religion is an excellent tool in maintaining power in places with high poverty. Therefore it has less to do w/ Islam (any religion would do honestly), and more to do with the economic and political climate. It is no different than the genocides / assassinations / wars going on throughout Africa. What I am saying, however, is that there is a culture that nurtures and cultivates this trend. It's a tribalism that's made most convenient with Islam. That's exactly what the Sunni-Shia conflict in the Middle East is - a war between tribes. It's willful ignorance to pretend those are simply denominations akin to Presbyterian vs Baptist. Ratohnhaketon said: Theoretically an agnostic wouldn't hold a stance one way or the other (i.e. "make believe" = Atheist). Not that there is anything wrong with it mind you, I'm certainly "pro-Islam" as it is ultra-conservative - However again, the main point here was pointing out rather blatant hypocrisy. I think the fact we have veered so far off course of the original topic is a semi-clear indicator that you see it too.As an agnostic, I'm not particularly concerned with what "real Islam" is. As far as I'm concerned, it's all make believe. Ratohnhaketon said: Well then you are talking about culture - not Islam at all. Which again, would make your initial reply completely irrelevant at this point. Although this "Tribalism" as you call it, has been (and likely still is) present throughout much of Western history as well. Take Greece for example, the city states were very much like the different "city-states" that comprised of many of the ancient Mesopotamian empires. It's actually a shame they don't teach this, but much of Europe's history until the early 1900's (going to exclude the World Wars as they are a different beast) was relatively violent as well. The difference was that a lot of it was fought on foreign land (including French v. Britain in America, and you would be foolish if you didn't think that much of the hatred these two countries held for one another didn't stem from their religious differences, going back to that Catholicism v. Protestant theme).What I care about, however, is recognizing a clear distinction between westernized Islam vs the tribal radicalism that has possessed the Middle East even predating Islam during the ancient Mesopotamian and Persian empires. Again though, this entire post blames "culture" for terrorism, when the correlation just simply isn't there. What needs to exist is not % of terrorist attacks belonging to X culture, but % of people in X culture that commit terrorist attacks. |
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@Pirating_Ninja - I didn't get off track, you misread my post and are trying to create a non-sequitur between blaming an ideology for actions committed in the name of said ideology vs saying Trump is directly responsible for a Bernie Sanders supporter:   I haven't contradicted anything I've said. I'm dealing with Islam on a spectrum, and Islam is an integral part of culture in Islamic theocracies. They don't separate worship from work and there is no separation of church and state. I also don't defend Christianity or its history, but it underwent a reformation that simply has never occurred in Islamic faith. On a lighter note, I completely goof'd when I said "not all triangles." I meant rectangles, as in not all rectangles are squares. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Western Europe is simply closer. Christians in Egypt have been also targeted again btw. and they're not from Europe or America. In the western hemisphere why are the US and Western Europe the main targets for Islamic terrorist attacks but not also Christian majority Latin America and the Caribbean? Is Islamic terrorism purely because of religion or is there also a political goal behind it? |
| now i've seen everything a "bernie supporter" that hates niggers and muslims and a self proclaimed white supremacist but yet he went to a right wing free speech march with a baseball bat in hand to try to beat some leftist protesters okay............ |
| @Neane93 @Zeally He supported Bernie then supported Trump but didnt vote for anyone. White Supremacists would likely never trust Bernie because he has Jewish heritage. They also would not post an edited comic book image where a Nazi is being punched (replaced with Trump) by Captain America (replaced with Bernie). So he is so mentally fucked total contradictions can exist in his inconsistent ideological views. I think he just wanted Trump to lose but he favoured Trump over Hillary but why he didn't care about a Jew I have no clue. Unfortunately images are from Buzzfeed. Was first to come up I found https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/portland-suspect?utm_term=.apRXeqZooG#.jlz953dNNW |
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Noboru said: America isn't closer though yet still gets a lot of terrorist attacks. I wasn't really including Africa when I mentioned western hemisphere but only the Americas and Western Europe.DrGeroCreation said: Western Europe is simply closer. Christians in Egypt have been also targeted again btw. and they're not from Europe or America. In the western hemisphere why are the US and Western Europe the main targets for Islamic terrorist attacks but not also Christian majority Latin America and the Caribbean? Is Islamic terrorism purely because of religion or is there also a political goal behind it? |
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| this happens here often but it's usually because some dude resisted being mugged, i don't know which scenario is sicker DrGeroCreation said: Africa isn't in the western hemisphere anyway, the guy needs some geography classesNoboru said: America isn't closer though yet still gets a lot of terrorist attacks. I wasn't really including Africa when I mentioned western hemisphere but only the Americas and Western Europe.Western Europe is simply closer. Christians in Egypt have been also targeted again btw. and they're not from Europe or America. |
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UnoPuntoCinco said: Some western portions of it are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_HemisphereAfrica isn't in the western hemisphere anyway, the guy needs some geography classes |
DrGeroCreationMay 28, 2017 12:42 PM
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DrGeroCreation said: Thought the Western Hemisphere would include the Americas + Europe and Africa. But Technicalities aside, I was just mentioning that not only the evil, evil West gets attacked. South America is not only far away, but also relatively unimportant. They rather go for Soft Targets directly nearby (Christians + Muslims in the Middle East) or relatively close (People in Europe) and if it has to be far away, then rather at a Country like the USA. America isn't closer though yet still gets a lot of terrorist attacks. I wasn't really including Africa when I mentioned western hemisphere but only the Americas and Western Europe. |
Noboru said: Eastern Europe, most of Africa aren't part of the western hemisphere. Latin America and the Caribbean are Christian majority and the current Pope is latino so by that logic they should be as big targets as America and Western Europe. If we also go by Muslim = terrorism then Central Asia which is Muslim majority should have more terrorist attacks than Western Europe. If we go by proximity then they shouldn't be bombing America since it's far away from the Middle East. If we go by importance then Africa isn't that important. Maybe just maybe America and Western Europe are targeted because they bomb the shit out of the Middle East and maybe just maybe Osama Bin Laden's plan was to use 9/11 to lure America into the Middle east in order to unite Muslim hatred against it the same way America unified and weaponized Muslim hatred against the Soviet Union and communism itself during the Afghan Soviet war.DrGeroCreation said: Thought the Western Hemisphere would include the Americas + Europe and Africa. But Technicalities aside, I was just mentioning that not only the evil, evil West gets attacked. South America is not only far away, but also relatively unimportant. They rather go for Soft Targets directly nearby (Christians + Muslims in the Middle East) or relatively close (People in Europe) and if it has to be far away, then rather at a Country like the USA. America isn't closer though yet still gets a lot of terrorist attacks. I wasn't really including Africa when I mentioned western hemisphere but only the Americas and Western Europe. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Yet it gets attacked. And even more severely than Europe. 10-20 People dying on one single Event in Western Europe once in a blue moon? That's laughable compared to what happens regularly in Nigeria or Egypt. If we go by importance then Africa isn't that important. Can't recall either Nigeria or Germany bombing the shit out of any Country in the Middle East, yet they are still targeted by militant Groups. Osama Bin Laden worked for the CIA. If the West really hadn't wanted any Terrorist Attacks, they could have prevented them. How often do we hear about how the Perpetrators were known to Secret Services or could have even be detained but nothing happened? Or how they ignored Wanted-Lists from other Countries. |
Ratohnhaketon said: @Pirating_Ninja - I didn't get off track, you misread my post and are trying to create a non-sequitur between blaming an ideology for actions committed in the name of said ideology vs saying Trump is directly responsible for a Bernie Sanders supporter: I haven't contradicted anything I've said. I'm dealing with Islam on a spectrum, and Islam is an integral part of culture in Islamic theocracies. They don't separate worship from work and there is no separation of church and state. I also don't defend Christianity or its history, but it underwent a reformation that simply has never occurred in Islamic faith. On a lighter note, I completely goof'd when I said "not all triangles." I meant rectangles, as in not all rectangles are squares. That's funny.. considering a lot can change within the span of a few months. One article stated he was at a right-wing "March for Free Speech" in April threatening protesters. Also, you conveniently left out a post saying he defended Nazis.. |
ZelevMay 28, 2017 2:27 PM
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Noboru said: In Africa its more of a sectarian conflict type of thing and conquering territory like it is in the Middle East. It's not a blue moon thing when it comes to terrorism in Europe. Islamic terrorism is such a major threat in Europe that America issued a travel alert for travel to Europe because of terrorist attacks http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/01/politics/us-travel-alert-europe/index.html?iid=EL Most western European countries are rated high for terrorist attacks http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/587227/Holiday-terror-threat-level-Spain-Tunisia-and-France-on-high-alertDrGeroCreation said: Yet it gets attacked. And even more severely than Europe. 10-20 People dying on one single Event in Western Europe once in a blue moon? That's laughable compared to what happens regularly in Nigeria or Egypt. If we go by importance then Africa isn't that important. Can't recall either Nigeria or Germany bombing the shit out of any Country in the Middle East, yet they are still targeted by militant Groups. Osama Bin Laden worked for the CIA. If the West really hadn't wanted any Terrorist Attacks, they could have prevented them. How often do we hear about how the Perpetrators were known to Secret Services or could have even be detained but nothing happened? Or how they ignored Wanted-Lists from other Countries. Germany did send troops to Afghanistan as part of NATO. For ISIS NATO countries are their main enemies. He didn't work for the CIA but as a Mujahideen he would have benefited from CIA support during the Afghan Soviet war. It's blowback, both America and Western Europe (including Germany) supported radical Islam in the 80's . Osama Bin Laden made America and western Europe main terrorist targets when he used 9/11 to lure America into Afghanistan and America brought Europe along as part of NATO. |
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Zelev said: Edit:That's funny.. considering a lot can change within the span of a few months. One article stated he was at a right-wing "March for Free Speech" in April threatening protesters. Also, you conveniently left out a post saying he defended Nazis.. I'll make this simple. If you think Trump is responsible for a random loser who posts inconsistent garbage about his violent urges, I suggest you seek asylum. And by asylum, I mean the kind where basket cases get lobotomies and rot away. |
ZekkenshinMay 28, 2017 4:10 PM
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ShyGuyDY said: These men did a noble thing and they shouldn't have had to give up their lives for it. Of course the blame is on Trump, I mean that's just the easy way out right? No! Trump is not the problem here. The real problem are the people that consider Trump an ideal leader, and whose bigoted mentalities are coming out of the woodwork now that they feel they have a voice. It's these poisonous people that need to be held more accountable, because the situation is only going to get worse and more people will get killed defending honesty, peace and love. Rest in peace to the two men who came to the aid of that poor Muslim woman. Your deed won't be forgotten. I agree with you on your points. With the rise of alt-right supporters with their rhetoric, they need to be kept in check, and the same goes with those in the left, groups like Antifa for example. Those two men are courageous American heroes that didn't deserve their lives to be cut short. May they rest in peace. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Zelev said: Edit:That's funny.. considering a lot can change within the span of a few months. One article stated he was at a right-wing "March for Free Speech" in April threatening protesters. Also, you conveniently left out a post saying he defended Nazis.. I'll make this simple. If you think Trump is responsible for a random loser who posts inconsistent garbage about his violent urges, I suggest you seek asylum. And by asylum, I mean the kind where basket cases get lobotomies and rot away. Where did I specifically say that? All I'm saying is that you're quite obviously portraying this in a certain way without giving us all his posts. There was a post of him saying to put people in ovens. Your agenda is showing. Edit: It's possible the "Sanders/Stein 2017" post was meant to be ironic. He has also shared posts from a Libertarian page, and he even stated that he did not vote in the election. |
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Zelev said: My "agenda" is that trying to paint this guy out as an agent of Trump's will is bullshit. Would you like to prove me wrong?Ratohnhaketon said: Edit: I'll make this simple. If you think Trump is responsible for a random loser who posts inconsistent garbage about his violent urges, I suggest you seek asylum. And by asylum, I mean the kind where basket cases get lobotomies and rot away. Where did I specifically say that? All I'm saying is that you're quite obviously portraying this in a certain way without giving us all his posts. There was a post of him saying to put people in ovens. Your agenda is showing. Edit: It's possible the "Sanders/Stein 2017" post was meant to be ironic. He has also shared posts from a Libertarian page, and he even stated that he did not vote in the election. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Zelev said: My "agenda" is that trying to paint this guy out as an agent of Trump's will is bullshit. Would you like to prove me wrong?Where did I specifically say that? All I'm saying is that you're quite obviously portraying this in a certain way without giving us all his posts. There was a post of him saying to put people in ovens. Your agenda is showing. Edit: It's possible the "Sanders/Stein 2017" post was meant to be ironic. He has also shared posts from a Libertarian page, and he even stated that he did not vote in the election. So instead you paint him of Sanders/Stein's will? Ironic.. |
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Zelev said: Nope. Where did I ever say Bernie and Stein want their followers to kill other people? It's called breaking the narrative that this guy was a hardline Trump supporter who wished for nothing more than to please his master by gutting a bunch of Muslim women on a train.Ratohnhaketon said: My "agenda" is that trying to paint this guy out as an agent of Trump's will is bullshit. Would you like to prove me wrong? So instead you paint him of Sanders/Stein's will? Ironic.. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Nope. Where did I ever say Bernie and Stein want their followers to kill other people? It's called breaking the narrative that this guy was a hardline Trump supporter who wished for nothing more than to please his master by gutting a bunch of Muslim women on a train. Except there was literally a post of him saying how he wanted to punch people, openly expressing his violence. I understand your reasoning, but you don't seem to realize you're creating your own dangerous narrative as well. |
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Zelev said: Right, so I can concede that we don't know if he was still an outright Bernie Sanders supporter at the time this loser killed two people. So what? There is clear evidence that he's been off his rocker for far longer than his inconsequential shift in politics. Portland was a dead giveaway (joke...kinda).Except there was literally a post of him saying how he wanted to punch people, openly expressing his violence. I understand your reasoning, but you don't seem to realize you're creating your own dangerous narrative as well. That still doesn't tie any of this to Trump in any relevant or meaningful sort of way. |
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| I'd recommend looking into this more because at least according to Tim Pool, the issue is a lot more complicated then it just being some Trump supporter spewing things against Muslims. Apparently from the guy's Facebook (or some other social media) he just seems to be very messed up in the head. |
Ratohnhaketon said: Zelev said: Right, so I can concede that we don't know if he was still an outright Bernie Sanders supporter at the time this loser killed two people. So what? There is clear evidence that he's been off his rocker for far longer than his inconsequential shift in politics. Portland was a dead giveaway (joke...kinda).Except there was literally a post of him saying how he wanted to punch people, openly expressing his violence. I understand your reasoning, but you don't seem to realize you're creating your own dangerous narrative as well. That still doesn't tie any of this to Trump in any relevant or meaningful sort of way. "So what?" What do you mean so what? You were willingly not telling the whole truth. You skewed the information in order to benefit your argument. That is, by definition, opportunistic. If you can't see that, then you can shove your agenda up your ass. Also, fuck your joke. It's tasteless as hell. |
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omfgplzstop said: Zelev said: This is really not that difficult. He's telling you that he was showing that the guy was not a Trump supporter inspired by Trump. That was his argument, and showing that the guy supported putting people in ovens doesn't conflict with that argument. He was telling all the relevant truth. Had he failed to show a post saying 'all hail god emperor trump,' your point would have some merit. But it doesn't."So what?" What do you mean so what? You were willingly not telling the whole truth. You skewed the information in order to benefit your argument. That is, by definition, opportunistic. If you can't see that, then you can shove your agenda up your ass. Also, fuck your joke. It's tasteless as hell. Also, it is more likely that he supported Bernie, because the post that said he did not vote mentioned he "could not bring himself to vote for trump like he said he would," implying that he claimed he would vote Trump to prevent Hillary from being elected but in the end could not bring himself to do it, logically as a result of conflicting ideology with Trump. Because, you might not be aware of this, but Trump does not actually automatically attract all racist sexist bigot homophobes. Voters are individuals, not identities. Lol, look more carefully. He also has a post stating that Trump was the anti-christ and that he should have voted for him. There are more posts of him praising Trump, too. I'm well aware of what you are telling me. That still doesn't negate the fact that the person I'm arguing with was being opportunistic. |
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Zelev said: You would get more out of life if you took me up on that lobotomy offer. It still stands.Ratohnhaketon said: Right, so I can concede that we don't know if he was still an outright Bernie Sanders supporter at the time this loser killed two people. So what? There is clear evidence that he's been off his rocker for far longer than his inconsequential shift in politics. Portland was a dead giveaway (joke...kinda). That still doesn't tie any of this to Trump in any relevant or meaningful sort of way. "So what?" What do you mean so what? You were willingly not telling the whole truth. You skewed the information in order to benefit your argument. That is, by definition, opportunistic. If you can't see that, then you can shove your agenda up your ass. Also, fuck your joke. It's tasteless as hell. Really who the fuck cares who he supported? That has nothing to do with a decision he made out of his own volition. I even conceded that so you would shut the fuck up and stop dodging my main point with a game of semantics. Yeah and well fuck your (lack of a) sense of humor. Ever been to Portland? I can tell you first hand my time there was borderline bedlam. |
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omfgplzstop said: Zelev said: Lol, look more carefully. He also has a post stating that Trump was the anti-christ and that he should have voted for him. There are more posts of him praising Trump, too. I'm well aware of what you are telling me. That still doesn't negate the fact that the person I'm arguing with was being opportunistic. "Are there still Hillary voters still pointing fingers at Trump voters? It's the fucking electorate if you want to blame someone. My New Years resolution is to punch out any left /liberal that says the words Its the racist white Trump voters instead of racist white electorate voters. You are entitled to your blanket liberal indoctrination but at least make it somewhat factual. The real reason we got Trump is all you lames voting Hillary instead of insisting on Bernie atDNC. THAT WAS THE TIME FOR A RIOT. NOT AFTER TRUMP GOT ELECTED!!! I KNOW THE TRUTH HURTS. GET OVER IT OR BUST A GRAPE!!!" "I've had it!!! I gonna kill everybody who voted for Trump or Hillary!!! It's all your fault!!! You're what's wrong with this country!!! Reveal yourselves immediately and face your DOOM!!!" Does this look like praising Trump? There's plenty more along those lines, but those were the most recent, which I think should have priority when it comes to determining how he felt about Trump when committing the murder. The only recent posts (as I only went over posts up until November 2016) that suggested support for Trump were these two, which are vague and not direct support for any of his policies besides the so-called "Muslim ban": If Donald Trump is the Next Hitler then I am joining his SS to put an end to Monotheist Question. All Zionist Jews, All Christians who do not follow Christ's teaching of Love, Charity, and Forgiveness And All Jihadi Muslims are going to Madagascar or the Ovens/FEMA Camps!!! Does this make me a fascist!!! #MonotheistHolocaust FinalSolutionToTheMonotheistQuestion Hi. I'm Donald Trump and I want all of the attractive female citizens of the USA to know that if you get too drunk to stand, because I am president of the Union; you can sit on my face. I'm here for you!!! #DonaldJDrumpfPOTUS Both came only 10 days after his declaration that he will kill everyone who voted for Trump, meaning it is far more likely that he meant to deride Trump in some way with the second and merely advocated for white nationalism with the first. Other posts of his claimed Trump was better than Hillary, but did not conflict with the idea that Bernie is much better and that Trump should not be voted for. "Here's just one reason Trump is better than Clinton and I have a few more: For the First Time since he was 17 years old, Donald Trump will no longer be the boss come January 20th. As soon as he realizes that, he has the chance to be a great president. He will be all Americans employee; from the lowest homeless criminal to the richest job creating tax payer. In other words he is both the boss and not the boss simultaneously.... #BossNotTheBoss" Granted, a lot of his posts just seem like shitposting and/or ironic memes. |
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