| @Grapefruit21 could you explain to me was so scummy about my posts? "in general and evasiveness specifically" in general means a gut feeling? How am I been evasive? In the meantime I'll change my vote, since Denja didn't care much for it vote change: Gruffin Some thoughts ~ Rosie's post are not great so I'm leaning scum with her. Somebody said she has never play as town so she might be havig trouble understanding how to scum hunt for real? That's not enough for me to believe in her towniness thou. Sollux's posts also gave me a bad feeling. Their reasons for voting Soren weren't good at all. Bunny looks completely lost xDD But I used the same tactic in my first mafia game and I was scum so she is still on my list of suspects. |
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Ruu said: @Grapefruit21 could you explain to me was so scummy about my posts? "in general and evasiveness specifically" in general means a gut feeling? How am I been evasive? In the meantime I'll change my vote, since Denja didn't care much for it vote change: Gruffin Some thoughts ~ Rosie's post are not great so I'm leaning scum with her. Somebody said she has never play as town so she might be havig trouble understanding how to scum hunt for real? That's not enough for me to believe in her towniness thou. Sollux's posts also gave me a bad feeling. Their reasons for voting Soren weren't good at all. Bunny looks completely lost xDD But I used the same tactic in my first mafia game and I was scum so she is still on my list of suspects. lol you really like to scum read don't you. I have no issues with any of them reads though, Apart from one on Bunny is harsh |
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Soren said: I know, and I answered you the first timeKit said: I was simply trying to understand why you think she is scum. But seems it has been interpreted entirely differently, as me defending her and the backlash with the intent of voting me back. I don't need reasons to scum read her to vote her at this point. Are you trying to get me to unvote? Want me to vote you again instead? Multiple people have stated what they don't like about Gruffin's posts. Can you point out a flaw in those reasonings? I'll just go re-read gruffin's posts, and the posts you and jack have already made about her. |
Sollux16 said: @Gruffin I'm not ignoring you, I'm just not reacting XD Jackrito said: You really need a better reason then that, especially since you contradict it with the bit after. Since you are caught up you should have a lot more thoughts. To answer your question from earlier, no, I don't have any mafia exp. This is my first game. I don't have a better reason than that at the moment. I haven't really picked up anything from the first few pages. I'll need a bit more time to really start feeling any strong opinions on who's who. Gruffin said: @Sollux16 What makes you suspicious enough of Soren to dismiss your previous thought that scum won't put themselves in the spotlight? Is it the vote on you as your post suggests? What is suspicious about it? I don't really suspect Soren. To be honest I don't know who to suspect and who not to suspect at the moment. Their vote against me isn't really suspicious, so that's not my reason. Soren is just my vote until I pick up a little bit more. Ok thanks I thought as much, just wanted to make sure, I can understand it is pretty hard to get into especially since this game is going a bit of a fast pace. So I will give you a bit of slack for now at least, if you have any questions feel free to ask. |
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| @Jackrito I already said that for me everybody is scum until they can prove me their towniness xD yeah maybe my read on bunny is not great, but like I said I did the same on my first game and I lasted 3 days (with my scumbuddies dying D1 and D2) - I even fooled Soren xD Looking lost can give you town cred imo |
| fluff post ~ 5 pages in 6 hours! I think Chad's announcement worked xD |
| Completely missed your question @Ruu basically a lesser version of what Soren and Rosie are doing. I don't like people trying to slink around and avoid stances. Makes it hard to dig up when D1 is a distant memory. Case on Gruffin is still meh. The reactions to it are where the goodness is. Getting town vibes from Kit and Jack right now. Edit: add Togs to the town vibes list. |
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| I'm finding a few people scummy and I doubt they can all be scum... These two decided to put themselves in the spotlight but I am not going to scum read everyone who jumps on them. The fact of the matter is for offer and accepting this proposal they both seem a little lackluster in their follow through but it's early. I would say I am neutral at best right now. As I keep reading they do seem to have some weird fixation on each other but I find it hard to believe both would be scum. It's possible one is scum and was tripped up by this or it's just a weird as t/t interaction. Soren - I have see town make bold moves to start the game and I've given early town reads of it but I am not getting that vibe from what Soren has done in regards to his bet with Gruffin. The tunneling on Jack isn't helping and that defense of Gruffin while claiming not to be able to see the other side feels odd coming from him. Gruffin - The town read on Soren is Null I can see where that could come from even though I don't agree with it. Gruffin seems to defensive when questioned about early reads, and also seems to defend Soren from Sollux. Not really understanding how she had no reads on anyone when her and Soren are having a game in a game. (Maybe I think I'm reading too much into that?). Jackrito - I'm liking how he is going about things. He speaks his mind and you can see how his thoughts evolve. This is something I really didn't get in the last game I played with him. I was pocketed so I will reserve a full town lean but I'm more comfortable with him than the two above. Slight town lean Kit - I feel like I can see kit trying to work out the game. Nothing strikes me as odd and if anything I see a new found conviction current level of scum hunting. Town lean Oyasumi_Rosie - IDK, IDK....she drew some attention at the beginning of our last game for similarly scummy reasons. She plays mafia in person so I'm not going to say she doesn't know what being town is like but I know she has never been town in forum mafia. I don't see the remark about Soren and Gruffin as trying to push a lynch on them. First of all who pushes a lynch on page 1? Though I don't really understand the statement it don't see it as alignment indicative though I could be wrong. What I can say I take from it is Rosie is DTL (Down To Lynch). Neutral Ruu - I got my eye on you. I've seen your scum game and I just gave you some juicy information last game. Are you putting it to use? I don't get that feeling even though I don't like your posts so far. Neutral if I had to choose town but too early to pass judgment here. Rinto-kun - Passive town/passive scum - hard to tell the difference between the two. @Rinto-kun I'm going to be on you like I was cookie if you lurk to hard. Neutral your not getting the usual treatment today. While others look scummier you have to prove yourself to me a little bit or someone else looks like a better option. Grapefruit21 - I really like his first few posts. I have an admitted biased here but seems like town Grapefruit so far. Very transparent with his though process as usual. DenjaX - That's my boy but I have no real read so far. He's got his way of doing things and I'm sure we'll deal with each other in time. So long as he handles his segregation duties we're good. Neutral Togs - Lurky town/Lurky scum....which one? Not enough to say either way. Neutral Sollux16 - New player not really liking their move to Soren or the reason behind it but I though everyone who voted me was scum as a new player so....null. I can't read them just yet. Neutral Wen294 - never seen his town game and admittedly don't know how to read him. Currently neutral. Bunny - Seems extremely lost (no offense but possible cookie 2.0). New player read nothing else for now. |
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| @logic340 each game I try some new strategy but old habits die hard and I end up looking emotional or not very good with my reads. Well... no, I'm not using your advice because this time I don't need it. I'm not scum so I don't have to fake stuff. I just need to be myself (aparently my true self is also scummy ;-;) and do my best to win this game with everyone. Like I said before the odds are in our favour because this is a reveal upon death setup so Mafia won't be able to confused us (like me and my buddies tried in our last game). That doesn't mean that I agree with Rosie's idea of lynching Soren or Gruffin to see who is scum and who is town (we could also be dealing with a t/t situation like you pointed out), I'm voting for Gruffin for now until I find someone who looks scummier. My case is not great but I don't think we can make a solid case against anyone even with 5 pages. |
Sollux16 said: I guess people just ran out of things to say? What are you thoughts currently? Have they changed at all?is it just me, or has it been pretty quiet for awhile now? |
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| @Sollux16 you're right that it's been quiet so I'll bite. The case on @Gruffin sucks because it hinges on him being scum for town reading @Soren. Which is a stupid case. Sure Gruff got defensive afterwards, but that is NAI both sides get defensive when pressed and Gruff did nothing that looks like a slip while defending to me. Here's why it's a stupid case: he gave a town read for someone encouraging Gruffin to hunt scum better. Is that a strong reason for a read? No. But is it a bad read in an unfounded scummy way? Also no. Here's why I see Gruff's misguided town point award as coming from a town mindset: Gruffin isn't a bad player. As town your urge is to town read people who post nice things about you and feel towny. What's townier than a scum hunt? So gruff gives the easy but completely premature town read. As scum your reaction would be why are they doing this? How can I react naturally? And how can I use this to pocket or mislynch Soren. Gruffin's early town read isn't going to pocket anyone, especially someone as experienced as Soren, and it definitely won't lead to a mislynch because you are announcing a town read. So yeah it's silly to read Gruff as scum for that because that play doesn't help scum at all and doesn't make sense as a slip, because that sort of read comes from a very towny place. |
Sollux16 said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: I guess people just ran out of things to say? What are you thoughts currently? Have they changed at all? I'm not really sure... I have my suspicions about people but I don't have good reasoning. It doesn't really help that I haven't the slightest idea what I'm doing. I don't want to end up reading into something too much Read to much into things, if there is nothing there count on your town mates to call you out for it being nothing. But diving down rabbit holes that seem like nothing is a good way to start getting leads. This early suspicions don't need to have good reasons so give me some of yours and what pinged you even if it isn't much. |
Sollux16 said: Ah yeah I am in the same boat right now. I am thinking about acting on my thoughts, but I want to do one more read through before doing anything elseOyasumi_Rosie said: I guess people just ran out of things to say? What are you thoughts currently? Have they changed at all? I'm not really sure... I have my suspicions about people but I don't have good reasoning. It doesn't really help that I haven't the slightest idea what I'm doing. I don't want to end up reading into something too much |
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Grapefruit21 said: @Sollux16 you're right that it's been quiet so I'll bite. The case on @Gruffin sucks because it hinges on him being scum for town reading @Soren. Which is a stupid case. Sure Gruff got defensive afterwards, but that is NAI both sides get defensive when pressed and Gruff did nothing that looks like a slip while defending to me. Here's why it's a stupid case: he gave a town read for someone encouraging Gruffin to hunt scum better. Is that a strong reason for a read? No. But is it a bad read in an unfounded scummy way? Also no. Here's why I see Gruff's misguided town point award as coming from a town mindset: Gruffin isn't a bad player. As town your urge is to town read people who post nice things about you and feel towny. What's townier than a scum hunt? So gruff gives the easy but completely premature town read. As scum your reaction would be why are they doing this? How can I react naturally? And how can I use this to pocket or mislynch Soren. Gruffin's early town read isn't going to pocket anyone, especially someone as experienced as Soren, and it definitely won't lead to a mislynch because you are announcing a town read. So yeah it's silly to read Gruff as scum for that because that play doesn't help scum at all and doesn't make sense as a slip, because that sort of read comes from a very towny place. My issue as said is how they are avoiding it when pushed and them not able to understand any negative reasons why Soren would do it, it shows a lack of awareness and this added with them having no other reads shows a lack of working the game out. I also think you are putting too much value in Soren's exp and been unable to pocket as well. Give me some examples in thier posts to town read them. |
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Jackrito said: My issue as said is how they are avoiding it when pushed and them not able to understand any negative reasons why Soren would do it, it shows a lack of awareness and this added with them having no other reads shows a lack of working the game out. I also think you are putting too much value in Soren's exp and been unable to pocket as well. Give me some examples in thier posts to town read them. I'm definitely not town reading either of them, just think it's silly to move Gruffin to the scum side of null when what Gruffin did makes more sense from a town POV. Soren you might notice has my vote right now. What strikes me as a red flag of not a scum indicator is their initial declaration of Soren as towny. Is it great town play? No. But when people want to do towny things with you as town you want to town read it. Same as when people give town points for mind melds. Gruffin has been on the defensive ever since so I'm not too interested in them not adding other things to the game. Would I have given big town points if they'd dug into people reacting to Soren/themselves but they didn't and they stay neutral. Could they be scum? Sure. Do I think the case you have made is good? Nope. Am I town reading you for that? Yes I am. Edit: @Sollux16 a mason is a town person who knows the identify of another town person and has a secret chat with them. |
Grapefruit21 said: I agree with what you said, the read gruffin gave out on me doesn't make her scum. @Sollux16 you're right that it's been quiet so I'll bite. The case on @Gruffin sucks because it hinges on him being scum for town reading @Soren. Which is a stupid case. Sure Gruff got defensive afterwards, but that is NAI both sides get defensive when pressed and Gruff did nothing that looks like a slip while defending to me. Here's why it's a stupid case: he gave a town read for someone encouraging Gruffin to hunt scum better. Is that a strong reason for a read? No. But is it a bad read in an unfounded scummy way? Also no. Here's why I see Gruff's misguided town point award as coming from a town mindset: Gruffin isn't a bad player. As town your urge is to town read people who post nice things about you and feel towny. What's townier than a scum hunt? So gruff gives the easy but completely premature town read. As scum your reaction would be why are they doing this? How can I react naturally? And how can I use this to pocket or mislynch Soren. Gruffin's early town read isn't going to pocket anyone, especially someone as experienced as Soren, and it definitely won't lead to a mislynch because you are announcing a town read. So yeah it's silly to read Gruff as scum for that because that play doesn't help scum at all and doesn't make sense as a slip, because that sort of read comes from a very towny place. However, from what I'm understanding is that kit and jack doesn't like how defensive gruffin got from defending her read on me. And how they expect her to have more reads than the one on me atm. Your thoughts on those? |
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Sollux16 said: Well... I don't really think Soren should be deemed as scum yet, I only voted for them for the reason I gave, which obviously wasn't a good one. But it seemed like a good place to start for having nothing to go on. If anything, out of Gruffin and Soren, Gruffin seems more likely to be scum. I know the way Gruffin is, they like to mess with people. But that also makes it just as possible for them to be town and just wanting to get things rolling as it does for them to be scum. Also, quick question. What's a mason? Interesting, I feel like this act is pretty town. Out of the two I would be leaning more Soren to be scum. It feels more like Soren pocketing Gruffin, but at the same time this all feels way too obvious for a scum play at all, so it can be hard to tell. A mason is a role kind of like the opposite of mafia. They are usually two players who know they are not mafia and they have a secret chat where they can talk and figure out who scum is with out worrying about scum finding out. Does that make sense? |
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| @Jackrito @Soren Re Gruffin being defensive both alignments are defensive when pressured, and 61 doesn't feel like scum defence at all. Would I have liked to see Gruff hunt scum off of that and stay focused? Absolutely. Then I'd be strongly town reading them. Do I still think the case against Gruffin is weak? Yes. Does that mean I don't think Gruffin can be scum? Of course I think Gruffin might be scum, they haven't done anything particularly town, but there are better places to push right now. |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Interesting, I feel like this act is pretty town. Out of the two I would be leaning more Soren to be scum. It feels more like Soren pocketing Gruffin, but at the same time this all feels way too obvious for a scum play at all, so it can be hard to tell. ^This is exactly what I was thinking. If Soren was trying to pocket Gruffin I think he would find a more subtle way to do it. This is a very bold move from someone like him who knows it would get people to suspect him and could get him lynch. I'm not completely comfortable with my vote right now, I mean, I'm not 100% Gruffin is scum but out of the two I see Gruffin going under the radar (imo) more scummy than Soren's behaviour. @Sollux16 your first time playing mafia can be confusing so if you have anymore questions just ask ^^ I was completely lost during my first game so I know the feeling xD Always tell us what you think, no matter how crazy your theories might sound. Everything helps. We need to see everybody from different angles to get a better read and you could see somethig that I might missed due to my meta read on X player. A fresh pair of eyes are always welcome. @Oyasumi_Rosie I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts. I'm not a fan of the way you handle the Soren/Gruffin situation. Now I know you are new, or at least you haven't been town or scum yet so I that makes me think twice before going scum with you. I hope your future post will convince me of your towniness because I need to start eliminating people from my scum list -_- |
Grapefruit21 said: Thoughts on jack? I'm not sure how I feel about him now but my suspcions will never waver cause he's too good at appearing town as scum. So a second opinion will help, you have that objective mindset about you.@Jackrito @Soren Re Gruffin being defensive both alignments are defensive when pressured, and 61 doesn't feel like scum defence at all. Would I have liked to see Gruff hunt scum off of that and stay focused? Absolutely. Then I'd be strongly town reading them. Do I still think the case against Gruffin is weak? Yes. Does that mean I don't think Gruffin can be scum? Of course I think Gruffin might be scum, they haven't done anything particularly town, but there are better places to push right now. |
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Ruu said: Nah, I think I will just get worse from here. Unless I get super lucky and I hit scum day one again. This is just how my town plays out.@Oyasumi_Rosie I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts. I'm not a fan of the way you handle the Soren/Gruffin situation. Now I know you are new, or at least you haven't been town or scum yet so I that makes me think twice before going scum with you. I hope your future post will convince me of your towniness because I need to start eliminating people from my scum list -_- The whole Soren/Gruffin thing feels like a huge distraction right now. Its kind of wasting time and votes that could be going towards someone who is actually scum. I feel like this will be more telling later on but we won't know till that time comes. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Ruu said: Nah, I think I will just get worse from here. Unless I get super lucky and I hit scum day one again. This is just how my town plays out.@Oyasumi_Rosie I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts. I'm not a fan of the way you handle the Soren/Gruffin situation. Now I know you are new, or at least you haven't been town or scum yet so I that makes me think twice before going scum with you. I hope your future post will convince me of your towniness because I need to start eliminating people from my scum list -_- The whole Soren/Gruffin thing feels like a huge distraction right now. Its kind of wasting time and votes that could be going towards someone who is actually scum. I feel like this will be more telling later on but we won't know till that time comes. Changing the conversation from Soren/Gruffin is a good idea, so if you wanted to start exchanging notes about someone who would that be? Does anyone feel off to you? |
Ruu said: Changing the conversation from Soren/Gruffin is a good idea, so if you wanted to start exchanging notes about someone who would that be? Does anyone feel off to you? Right now, I am thinking a lot about Denja but I am not sure. I can't tell if he is actually dropping hints or if he is super trolling. In a past game he dropped similar hints, but I totally missed them because of the way he posts. Have you played with him before? |
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Gruffin said: Jackrito said: Does this affect your read on him this game?How would Denja be pocketing someone when he is voting them, also in my exp Denjax tries more and is less troll when scum. @Rinto-kun Is there a reason for the Jack vote? Nothing in particular. |
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Kit said: Is there a wolf role in mafia?DenjaX said: Aren't wolves mafia? What are you talking about?Hmmm this is weird. I am a wolf so there is probably a seer. I do not see third party in the wincon either. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Ruu said: Changing the conversation from Soren/Gruffin is a good idea, so if you wanted to start exchanging notes about someone who would that be? Does anyone feel off to you? Right now, I am thinking a lot about Denja but I am not sure. I can't tell if he is actually dropping hints or if he is super trolling. In a past game he dropped similar hints, but I totally missed them because of the way he posts. Have you played with him before? Denja.... is a mystery xD I've played with him as town and as scum and he is always trolling so you never know. You usually need to read his post twice to see if you can find anything on them (townish or scummy). His playstyle (imo) is very similar no matter what he rolls. When scum he will first go after his buddies before moving on to somebody else, so I always start the game seeing him as scum and go from there. Getting a read on the person he votes helps me understand him better. I'm sure I'm the only one who tries this method thou xD What game did you play with him? |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Kit said: Is there a wolf role in mafia?Aren't wolves mafia? What are you talking about? denja is messing with us. The wolf role depends on the type of mafia game and flavour. There isn't one in this game |
Ruu said: [ Denja.... is a mystery xD I've played with him as town and as scum and he is always trolling so you never know. You usually need to read his post twice to see if you can find anything on them (townish or scummy). His playstyle (imo) is very similar no matter what he rolls. When scum he will first go after his buddies before moving on to somebody else, so I always start the game seeing him as scum and go from there. Getting a read on the person he votes helps me understand him better. I'm sure I'm the only one who tries this method thou xD What game did you play with him? I think he is dropping hints about something, but I can't be sure till at least the next phase. If I get some for sure information out of what I am thinking I will let you know. He was a sub in Haruhi. He was one of my targets as hit man during that game. /edit: changed a for to an in. makes more sense this way |
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Ruu said: you didn't explain why you changed your vote to gruffin here@Grapefruit21 could you explain to me was so scummy about my posts? "in general and evasiveness specifically" in general means a gut feeling? How am I been evasive? In the meantime I'll change my vote, since Denja didn't care much for it vote change: Gruffin Some thoughts ~ Rosie's post are not great so I'm leaning scum with her. Somebody said she has never play as town so she might be havig trouble understanding how to scum hunt for real? That's not enough for me to believe in her towniness thou. Sollux's posts also gave me a bad feeling. Their reasons for voting Soren weren't good at all. Bunny looks completely lost xDD But I used the same tactic in my first mafia game and I was scum so she is still on my list of suspects. |
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| Vote: Soren Reasons Under Spoilers!~ Sorry Ruu, I know I said that looking in to the Soren/Gruffin thing was a distracting but it was really bugging me as I was rereading. Hopefully now that I have gotten it off my chest I can find better hunts to be on. ;w; |
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| @Soren I'm naturally suspicious of everyone but I like the way Jack dug into the Scum hunt bet. I think it was nothing, but if there was something there Jack was asking the right questions to find it and give people a chance to make a mistake. 166 has town vibes to me for Jack trying to explain how Gruffin is being subtly scummy. I also like how they didn't zero in completely on it and still looked at other parts of the game. 177 and 180 show an interest in keeping an eye on everyone and I like that. It's not strong, but it is enough to be at the top of my (very small) town list at the moment. Edit: Spelling fixes |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: none of the reasons you listed actually indicates me to being scumVote: Soren Reasons Under Spoilers!~ Sorry Ruu, I know I said that looking in to the Soren/Gruffin thing was a distracting but it was really bugging me as I was rereading. Hopefully now that I have gotten it off my chest I can find better hunts to be on. ;w; |
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Grapefruit21 said: hmmm@Soren I'm naturally suspicious of everyone but I like the way Jack dug into the Scum hunt bet. I think it was nothing, but if there was something there Jack was asking the right questions to find it and give people a chance to make a mistake. 166 has town vibes to me for Jack trying to explain how Gruffin is being subtly scummy. I also like how they didn't zero in completely on it and still looked at other parts of the game. 177 and 180 show an interest in keeping an eye on everyone and I like that. It's not strong, but it is enough to be at the top of my (very small) town list at the moment. Edit: Spelling fixes |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: None of these are actually reasons to scum read someone it just sounds like you think it was weird but how do those actions benefit scum? I've seen way more town mindset from Soren than scum mindset. It's not even "bad play" as town because it gave us something to talk about and get out of RVS which I took advantage of to push against Soren and get a read. I'm trying to do the same with Gruffin but she's not hereVote: Soren Reasons Under Spoilers!~ Sorry Ruu, I know I said that looking in to the Soren/Gruffin thing was a distracting but it was really bugging me as I was rereading. Hopefully now that I have gotten it off my chest I can find better hunts to be on. ;w; |
| It bothers me that I don't quite feel that Logic is town yet when he is usually clearly town, but I think he may be trying that "laying low and letting things progress" thing Gruffin talked about in FT? @Gruffin what do you think about Logic so far? (asking gruff cause we both played a lot with logic but anyone can answer) I think he is kind of under the radar, I'd feel more comfortable if I could town clear him as usual, hmm.. |
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Soren said: Grapefruit21 said: hmmm@Soren I'm naturally suspicious of everyone but I like the way Jack dug into the Scum hunt bet. I think it was nothing, but if there was something there Jack was asking the right questions to find it and give people a chance to make a mistake. 166 has town vibes to me for Jack trying to explain how Gruffin is being subtly scummy. I also like how they didn't zero in completely on it and still looked at other parts of the game. 177 and 180 show an interest in keeping an eye on everyone and I like that. It's not strong, but it is enough to be at the top of my (very small) town list at the moment. Edit: Spelling fixes I take it you don't find that convincing then. Jackrito is a good enough player to fake town play, but I do see a town mindset behind his questioning and pressure on Gruff. @Kit /Barn your and Soren's takes on Rosies read and Unvote Vote: Oyasumi_Rosie |
| Ugh, sorry I haven't been feeling the best today. Hopefully this will be somewhat coherent, but no promises. (I may consider repping out if I have troubles keeping up, just a warning.) Current thoughts on the gamestate: -Currently liking Grape’s posts because he's had an open mind so far, and I can see that he’s trying to place himself in others’ shoes despite any disagreements he has with them. This is shown by his opinion of Jack. -Kit’s generally questioning people and appears to being working out their alignments. -My read on Sollux is around the same strength as my Soren read if not slightly higher. Though she’s had an odd vote or two, she seems inquisitive and slightly confused, which is more likely to come from newb town than from newb scum. I could have a bias because we’re friends, but for now I’d like to look elsewhere. -Soren got townvibes for reasons previously stated. -I liked how Rosie pointed out that the Gruffin/Soren convo was becoming a distraction, because it shows focus...But then she goes back to voting Soren. I don't really know if scum would do that or not. I'm liking the current line of questioning Kit and Soren have towards her because that confused me as well. -Jack’s someone that I’d like to leave in the PoE because I know the scumhunting posts he’s made are well within his scum range. He’s better to be worked out later game with PoE, imo. -Togs, Bunny, wen and Rinto have not posted enough for me to get any good hints about their alignment. I'll look bad on Togs later because I admittedly haven't looked at them much. -Denja’s doing...something. I don’t have much of a clue as of yet. -Haven’t paid much attention to Logic, but he usually works himself out once the game gets rolling. -Ruu's kind of a hard read for me. She's able to say something townie and scummy in the span of a single post, and sometimes it's hard to follow her mindset. What has pinged me about her is the vote on me with later explanation, but I'm wavering on if providing justification later is actually scummy because it's something I've done as town before. @Ruu What convinced you to vote me over your other suspicions? I'll Vote: Ruu for now because I do not have a clear grasp on her thought process. Kit said: Logic's usually slower to start on D1, so I don't consider him much of a threat yet. If he were to continue laying low, then I would have cause for concern. So far none of his posts ping me as scummy.It bothers me that I don't quite feel that Logic is town yet when he is usually clearly town, but I think he may be trying that "laying low and letting things progress" thing Gruffin talked about in FT? @Gruffin what do you think about Logic so far? (asking gruff cause we both played a lot with logic but anyone can answer) I think he is kind of under the radar, I'd feel more comfortable if I could town clear him as usual, hmm.. @Grapefruit21 Where do you get townvibes from Togs? BunnyEnergizer said: Usually people pick out things in others' posts and try to figure out if it's something a townie (who's goal is to solve the game) would say or if it's something scum (who want to survive) would say. It's kind of hard to explain, but you can try looking at how other players are approaching the game as a start.can you pleasee tell me what people DO talk abt then? XD |
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💀 Vote Count 1.5 💀 💀 Soren 💀(3) // 🐩 Togs, Sollux16, Oyasumi_Rosie 🐩 💀 Gruffin 💀 (3) // 🐩 Kit, Ruu, Jackrito 🐩 Jackrito (2) // 🐩 Rinto-kun , Soren🐩 Ruu(2) // 🐩 DenjaX, Gruffin 🐩 Rinto-kun (1) // 🐩 Logic340 🐩 Togs (1) // 🐩 Wen294 🐩 Oyasumi_Rosie (1) // 🐩 Grapefruit21🐩 🐩 Not Voting 🐩 Bunny 🐩Mod Notes 🐩 This phase will last 48 hours. 🐩 Time until Night 1 🐩 |
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Grapefruit21 said: @Jackrito @Soren Re Gruffin being defensive both alignments are defensive when pressured, and 61 doesn't feel like scum defence at all. Would I have liked to see Gruff hunt scum off of that and stay focused? Absolutely. Then I'd be strongly town reading them. Do I still think the case against Gruffin is weak? Yes. Does that mean I don't think Gruffin can be scum? Of course I think Gruffin might be scum, they haven't done anything particularly town, but there are better places to push right now. I would agree that post does not look scum defense it was more the later stuff I felt off on, what for you defines the difference between a scum and town defense. |
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Rinto-kun said: Gruffin said: Does this affect your read on him this game? @Rinto-kun Is there a reason for the Jack vote? Nothing in particular. Is there a reason why you are been so passive and UTR. |
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Sollux16 said: I've been rereading the earlier posts, (I was walking from class to get lunch when I read some earlier) just in case I missed something. A few players have been brought to my attention aside from Soren and Gruffin. I think I'm going to keep an eye on Denja and Jackrito for a bit, some of their earlier posts have me thinking. Ok i want you to build on this last part what is making you think and why, also why only me and Denjax. |
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Gruffin said: Ugh, sorry I haven't been feeling the best today. Hopefully this will be somewhat coherent, but no promises. (I may consider repping out if I have troubles keeping up, just a warning.) Current thoughts on the gamestate: -Currently liking Grape’s posts because he's had an open mind so far, and I can see that he’s trying to place himself in others’ shoes despite any disagreements he has with them. This is shown by his opinion of Jack. -Kit’s generally questioning people and appears to being working out their alignments. -My read on Sollux is around the same strength as my Soren read if not slightly higher. Though she’s had an odd vote or two, she seems inquisitive and slightly confused, which is more likely to come from newb town than from newb scum. I could have a bias because we’re friends, but for now I’d like to look elsewhere. -Soren got townvibes for reasons previously stated. -I liked how Rosie pointed out that the Gruffin/Soren convo was becoming a distraction, because it shows focus...But then she goes back to voting Soren. I don't really know if scum would do that or not. I'm liking the current line of questioning Kit and Soren have towards her because that confused me as well. -Jack’s someone that I’d like to leave in the PoE because I know the scumhunting posts he’s made are well within his scum range. He’s better to be worked out later game with PoE, imo. -Togs, Bunny, wen and Rinto have not posted enough for me to get any good hints about their alignment. I'll look bad on Togs later because I admittedly haven't looked at them much. -Denja’s doing...something. I don’t have much of a clue as of yet. -Haven’t paid much attention to Logic, but he usually works himself out once the game gets rolling. -Ruu's kind of a hard read for me. She's able to say something townie and scummy in the span of a single post, and sometimes it's hard to follow her mindset. What has pinged me about her is the vote on me with later explanation, but I'm wavering on if providing justification later is actually scummy because it's something I've done as town before. @Ruu What convinced you to vote me over your other suspicions? I'll Vote: Ruu for now because I do not have a clear grasp on her thought process. Kit said: Logic's usually slower to start on D1, so I don't consider him much of a threat yet. If he were to continue laying low, then I would have cause for concern. So far none of his posts ping me as scummy.It bothers me that I don't quite feel that Logic is town yet when he is usually clearly town, but I think he may be trying that "laying low and letting things progress" thing Gruffin talked about in FT? @Gruffin what do you think about Logic so far? (asking gruff cause we both played a lot with logic but anyone can answer) I think he is kind of under the radar, I'd feel more comfortable if I could town clear him as usual, hmm.. @Grapefruit21 Where do you get townvibes from Togs? BunnyEnergizer said: Usually people pick out things in others' posts and try to figure out if it's something a townie (who's goal is to solve the game) would say or if it's something scum (who want to survive) would say. It's kind of hard to explain, but you can try looking at how other players are approaching the game as a start.can you pleasee tell me what people DO talk abt then? XD Ok lets get into, this if you are ill it would explain why you feel off to me, I felt the same way in another game about Kit day one and they were town. I would agree on grape they are one of my better town reads, my issue is that looking at other peoples views the way he has can come from scum trying to keep people onside, this is added by the way they leave very situation open, means they can never be called an liar and caught out. This is more of a deep scum though so not worried yet. I agree on Kit they are my best town read atm, I really don't agree on Sollux that play can easily come from new scum it is a fine line, no way, I would townread yet. You know my issues with this Soren read. If Rosie is confusing you are you going to question you themselves and do you like them not staying on you and Soren because pressure is too much? I don't think a scum would go back on to it either this in my view is a town who is bothered by something then a scum wanting a quick lynch, thier posts still worry me but not for your reasons. I always live in the POE lol, used to that curse by now so this is fair. Inactive bunch is also fair, I would expect more from Wen out of them but strangely it makes me think he is town he lacks motivation as town, and would try to control more if scum, maybe I'm wrong though. Denjax is Denjax I can't disagree with this. Why is it that both you and Soren have not paid attention to Logic much, I just find this so weird, I will admit he is not at his normal level of activity but I expect a bit more of a read. It just sounds so passive it will work out so will leave him. Final point on Ruu is fair I guess I think they gave a reason before voting you though. Ok you build on Logic thing a bit here nothing groundbreaking though which is not a bad thing. Right this post was decent, But from this I'm not getting your scum reads though is it just Ruu, maybe Rosie. I need to think on this something is still bothering me here. |
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