Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder She Solved: True Crime

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The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 00:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Murder She Solved: True Crime

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Delete per WP:GNG and WP:RS. Article lacks third party source or any evidence whatsoever of notability. Google News search does not show significant coverage. Logical Cowboy (talk) 01:36, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Keep, the official Facebook page is a good source, it clearly says that it airs on OWN Canada, and that it is a documentary and premiered on September 10, 2011, and that it has 2 seasons, also, A TV show is always notable, Passes GNG, and more. TBrandley (talk) 01:52, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

"A TV show is always notable"? How so?—Kww(talk) 02:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

• Just to let you know, facebook is discouraged as a source. The only way it can be used is as a primary source and primary sources do not show notability at all and can only be used if you have multiple independent and reliable sources to back up the claims in the article and show notability. See WP:FACEBOOK.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:35, 2 March 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79

• Comment Tokyogirl, thanks so much for your recent edits to the article [1]. These are truly heroic efforts. It was an improvement to drop the Facebook and other self-sourced material. It is unclear whether the newspaper articles now cited establish notability of the TV series, e.g., whether this is "significant coverage" according to WP:GNG. Logical Cowboy (talk) 23:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

• Delete. Not seeing significant coverage; being aired on a national network isn't sufficient for notability in the absence of sources, as WP:TVSERIES explains. The official Facebook page cannot of course demonstrate notability. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
• Delete As original creator has been warned many times before, using the official website or the show's Facebook as a source is highly discouraged. This series has nothing unique about it to stand out and is just another time-filling true crime show among many on the Discovery networks. Nate • (chatter) 05:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:55, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
• Delete more TBrandley material. And no, Facebook absolutely is NOT a good source. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:03, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - Citing the article creator's user name is not a valid rationale for deletion. Also note that additional sources have been added to the article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 13:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. JayJay^{Talk to me} 03:38, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

• Delete—No reliable news sources. I know facebook is a publicly viewable source, but it's not accurate nor reliable. Minima© (talk) 09:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - Actually there are some reliable sources that cover this topic. See my !vote below. Northamerica1000^(talk) 13:20, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• Leaning Delete - Note that additional sources have been added to the article as of the time of this post. While the series is listed at IMDB, after searching, not finding additional significant coverage in reliable sources at this time. This article (in the article as a reference) from Mediacaster Magazine constitutes significant coverage and appears to be a reliable source: [2]. The other two references include passing mentions of the topic. If additional significant coverage is found, this !vote can change. Also, it's concerning that some of the !votes to delete above that were posted after the addition of references don't include discussion about the quality of the references, nor the references themselves, and instead just discuss Facebook, or state "Delete per nom". This is essentially just typing "delete" without actually qualifying why the article should be deleted. Northamerica1000^(talk) 12:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• Delete - No significant coverage in reliable sources. The Media Caster article is a run down of a bunch of shows; the coverage is not signficant. The St. Catherines Standard and Niagara Falls Review articles are really local interest where a local crime is being covered by the show with much of the coverage about the crime. I don't feel that these in aggregrate are sufficient to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 21:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

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