I do believe that if Japan's anime industry was notified of America's (and I'm sure Japan's) interest in the practically abandoned genre, more animators will be interested in the profit they could make. I had the feeling that animators don't make that kind of decisions and they're more occupied asking not getting underpaid and overworked at the moment. :'s |
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| Well, Ange has a big harem of boys and girls. I don't know how to make this popular though. |
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Catalano said: I don't know how to make this popular though. Well, how about semi-reverse harem? |
alshu said: Catalano said: I don't know how to make this popular though. Well, how about semi reverse harem? As in when a girl mc is loved by boys and girls? That sounds interesting, reminds me of utena, with the weird love triangles. |
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Kin-dled_101 said: Nubiellee said: Oh jeez, I remember reading about that like a day ago. The problem with that is outsiders, such as Americans, don't have much power in Japan's capitalism. I had the feeling that animators don't make that kind of decisions and they're more occupied asking not getting underpaid and overworked at the moment. :'s But if it makes a difference, I would like to get the attention of Production studios with high salary like Kyoto Animations and Studio Shatter. Those are like the top standards for Japanese anime companies. If I can prove that Reverse Harems are worth producing, they're more likely to listen to the proposal. Isn't Kyoto Animations still recovering from the arson attack though? But if you can manage persuading them that it will make a lot of money... X) |
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| We need more stuff like Akatsuki No Yona. Yona's success is because the author clearly wants to tell a good story with good characters FIRST and be a reverse harem second. It also helps that the 'harem' isn't constantly making moves on Yona; they just clearly respect her as their leader and protect her. It's more of a 'harem for the audience' than 'harem for the heroine'. I think series that follow this pattern are far more tasteful. Otome game harem suck (mostly) because it's just self-insertion; the creators don't care about telling anything of substance. :/ |
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| >Reverse harem >Somebody just cannot but mention Akatsuki no Yona. What's next? Furuba? LMAO. |
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shanimebib said: >Reverse harem >Somebody just cannot but mention Akatsuki no Yona. What's next? Furuba? LMAO. We went over this. They are both reverse harem series because they contain a female main character and a large amount of pretty males who either live with her or travel with her. |
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shanimebib said: Oh no not this shit again. We've been over this.>Reverse harem >Somebody just cannot but mention Akatsuki no Yona. What's next? Furuba? LMAO. @Chiibi Let's just call it "includes harem elements" and appease everyone, it'd be the most accurate description. Otome games are better than most people give credit for. Maybe try the ones with an emphasis on the story like Hakuouki, Code:Realize and (ostensibly) Collar X Malice. |
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| @Orhunaa: I only saw one episode but I quite liked Nil Admiral Ten....something. xD It was actually really interesting. I hear Code Realize is also appealing somewhat so it's on my watchlist. My overall impression of otome games is generally negative...but like with every genre, no doubt there are SOME good ones out there. So I just use the word "most" instead of "all." |
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Chiibi said: @Orhunaa: I only saw one episode but I quite liked Nil Admiral Ten....something. xD It was actually really interesting. I hear Code Realize is also appealing somewhat so it's on my watchlist. My overall impression of otome games is generally negative...but like with every genre, no doubt there are SOME good ones out there. So I just use the word "most" instead of "all." The last paragraph was directed to the OP actually. I only now see that you commented on otome. But anyway, anime adaptations are usually butchered garbage. And I've only played the renowned ones so there are quite number of works that are neither here nor there. But then again so is every form of entertainment. |
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| Is it really that rare? It seems that about as much romance stuff targeted at females seems to feature an inordinately large amount of cast members swooning all over the female perspective character. Also "reverse harem" is a really dumb term; harem is harem; if you must, just call it "female lead harem"; there is nothing fundamentally reversing the concept of a by flipping a sex here and there. Makes about as much sense as calling a martial arts series with a female lead "reverse martial arts". Anyway, last harem with a female lead that I watched is Maid-Sama! which is absolutely one of my favorites because the Harem isn't wish fulfillment that distracts but mostly played as absurd comedy; all the members but the main love interest aren't even really portrayed as desirable in any way. |
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Sphinxter said: Is it really that rare? No, it isn't....but sometimes it's hard to find good ones. |
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Chiibi said: Obviously, harem rarely exists to be good storytelling; it exists mostly to create vicarious wish-fulfillment.Sphinxter said: Is it really that rare? No, it isn't....but sometimes it's hard to find good ones. It works in Ouran High School Host Club and Maid-Sama! because it derives comedy from making the many suitors look absurd, so it isn't that much wish fulfillment; it also works very well in Uwa-Koi! because it's a dark thriller about infidelity, so it actually services the plot. Oh, and it works in OniAi, because each of the characters is absurdly funny. Apparently Invaders of the Rokuzyouma! is a serious harem series that does it really well, but I for some reason never managed to watch it till completion. |
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Sphinxter said: Obviously, harem rarely exists to be good storytelling; it exists mostly to create vicarious wish-fulfillment. That's true...but it doesn't mean people who write them will never think outside of that box. Like with Ouran you mentioned...and Maid-sama (I haven't seen the others). Basically I'm saying the mindset of "it's harem so it doesn't need to be good" isn't something I agree with....because that's already been proven false. |
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Chiibi said: I suppose it can be done for different reasons. As said, most harems exist mostly for wish-fulfillment; the harem in Uwa-Koi exists to allow the protagonist to cheat a lot and get caught in a web of lies as a storytelling device.Sphinxter said: Obviously, harem rarely exists to be good storytelling; it exists mostly to create vicarious wish-fulfillment. That's true...but it doesn't mean people who write them will never think outside of that box. Like with Ouran you mentioned...and Maid-sama (I haven't seen the others). Basically I'm saying the mindset of "it's harem so it doesn't need to be good" isn't something I agree with....because that's already been proven false. I'd go so far as to say that fans of one are probably not fans of the other. One might ask oneself why one wants a harem per sē if not for the wish-fulfillment. In the good examples they were all mostly means to an end, in particular comedy. So why do you in particular want a harem for it's own sake if it not be comedy that you seek? "Harem" as a "genre" is obviously as abstract as "Happens in a small town"; it can go many ways. |
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That is not the case for me. I just want romance. Lol It doesn't matter if it's a bunch of guys with a girl or a bunch of girls with a guy...or equal numbers in a large cast of characters...or just a show about TWO characters. Numbers don't matter to me; good character writing and relationships are what matter to me. The female Shoujo and reverse harem protagonists are as boring as the male harem protagonists. @Maneki-Mew: That's not true at ALL; I can name way more good non-boring shoujo heroines than bad, boring ones. :p |
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Chiibi said: Well, then you don't want a harem per sē, right?That is not the case for me. I just want romance. Lol It doesn't matter if it's a bunch of guys with a girl or a bunch of girls with a guy...or equal numbers in a large cast of characters...or just a show about TWO characters. Numbers don't matter to me; good character writing and relationships are what matter to me. Uwa-Koi also is hardly a romance story; it's more of a psychological thriller with infidelity being used to create drama and deceit. Maneki-Mew said: Agreed, it's very often just adding more and more characters that have no existence outside of being part of the harem. But that's why Uwa-Koi is really good: each and every member of the harem genuinely feels like the hero of his own story, with each of them having chapters devoted to their backstory and interesting motivations to do what they do and their life philosophies — the harem therein exists not for wish fulfillment, but to create dramatic suspense through infidelity.What shy me away from harem and reverse harem is that the love interests are treated more like sexy objects from the story and the main character than an actual person. The female Shoujo and reverse harem protagonists are as boring as the male harem protagonists. They are always that one person, when you look at old school pictures and suddenly think "(S)He was in my class too? I can hardly remember..." but in harem and reverse harem they are loved by everyone and are a watcher self insert. ^^" Agreed, this is the one flaw that Uwa-Koi also shares; the protagonist was uninteresting. It wasn't a self-insert because he was a sex addict that couldn't stop with infidelity, but unlike most other characters he had no interesting philosophy that drove him.Romance stories like Maid-Sama! or Bunny Girl Senpai where both of the characters are interesting and have great chemistry together are far better. I dislike the pairing of self-insert versus interesting character. |
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| That is too much text, but I will say that I have found reverse harems, on average, to be better than their counterparts. And I mean better in the sense of 'less distracting if you're not watching it FOR the harem aspects'. The fanservice is usually less visual/physical and easier to ignore for me, and the male harem members tend to have more personality and be more interesting to me than most female harems I've encountered. Reverse harems also tend to have more of a focus on some kind of plot with the reverse harem just happening as we move through that plot, while a lot of regular harems are 100% focused on the harem aspect and related fanservice. So as someone who dislikes the general concept of harems, reverse harems have been way more watchable to me than their counterparts. Shows like Akatsuki no Yona or Sainunkoku Monogatari were pretty decent political/fantasy/drama stories that happened to have a reverse harem setup but it didn't really impact my enjoyment of them very much, while most regular harems I can't watch more than half an episode of because there is nothing going on in them except the harem shenanigans. The only exceptions to that rule are shows not even tagged as harems, like Monogatari, Steins;Gate or even something like Black Clover. Not to mention that the male MCs of harems often have very little substance to them while the female MCs of reverse harems tend to written with more depth and agency. I guess that's because females are still looking for a char to identify with even if they watch a harem with pretty boys, while guys would prefer for the male MC to fade into the background so they can just focus on watching the girls. Male MCs don't need to be fleshed out because noone pays much attention to them anyway. But that does make them less accessible to people like me who want to pay attention to every character, especially the MC. |
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Sphinxter said: Romance stories like Maid-Sama! or Bunny Girl Senpai where both of the characters are interesting and have great chemistry together are far better. I dislike the pairing of self-insert versus interesting character. This is a reverse harem or harem with female MC (whatever you want to call it) thread. Not your opinion on SAO. Every level-headed person knows that SAO a Self-insert Sh!t. Asuna Sh!t. And Kirito Sh!ttier. Also, I am gonna laugh again. Hahahaha~ >Reverse Harem >>Akatsuki no Yona >>Furuba HAHAHAHA! |
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shanimebib said: I am confused; I did not mention Sword Art Online.Sphinxter said: Romance stories like Maid-Sama! or Bunny Girl Senpai where both of the characters are interesting and have great chemistry together are far better. I dislike the pairing of self-insert versus interesting character. This is a reverse harem or harem with female MC (whatever you want to call it) thread. Not your opinion on SAO. Every level-headed person knows that SAO a Self-insert Sh!t. Asuna Sh!t. And Kirito Sh!ttier. Also, I am gonna laugh again. Hahahaha~ >Reverse Harem >>Akatsuki no Yona >>Furuba HAHAHAHA! |
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Pullman said: That is too much text, but I will say that I have found reverse harems, on average, to be better than their counterparts. And I mean better in the sense of 'less distracting if you're not watching it FOR the harem aspects'. The fanservice is usually less visual/physical and easier to ignore for me, and the male harem members tend to have more personality and be more interesting to me than most female harems I've encountered. Reverse harems also tend to have more of a focus on some kind of plot with the reverse harem just happening as we move through that plot, while a lot of regular harems are 100% focused on the harem aspect and related fanservice. So as someone who dislikes the general concept of harems, reverse harems have been way more watchable to me than their counterparts. Shows like Akatsuki no Yona or Sainunkoku Monogatari were pretty decent political/fantasy/drama stories that happened to have a reverse harem setup but it didn't really impact my enjoyment of them very much, while most regular harems I can't watch more than half an episode of because there is nothing going on in them except the harem shenanigans. The only exceptions to that rule are shows not even tagged as harems, like Monogatari, Steins;Gate or even something like Black Clover. Not to mention that the male MCs of harems often have very little substance to them while the female MCs of reverse harems tend to written with more depth and agency. I guess that's because females are still looking for a char to identify with even if they watch a harem with pretty boys, while guys would prefer for the male MC to fade into the background so they can just focus on watching the girls. Male MCs don't need to be fleshed out because noone pays much attention to them anyway. But that does make them less accessible to people like me who want to pay attention to every character, especially the MC. All of this is very accurate. I was going to mention shoujo harem seems to be a lot better handled than shounen/seinen harem, on average. Though it's good some authors have figured out that it doesn't hurt to give a male harem MC a personality. I'd like to see more of those. @Sphinxter Ignore him; he just likes to mention how much he hates SAO in every thread. Probably has it tattooed on his forehead. lol |
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Sphinxter said: shanimebib said: I am confused; I did not mention Sword Art Online.This is a reverse harem or harem with female MC (whatever you want to call it) thread. Not your opinion on SAO. Every level-headed person knows that SAO a Self-insert Sh!t. Asuna Sh!t. And Kirito Sh!ttier. Also, I am gonna laugh again. Hahahaha~ >Reverse Harem >>Akatsuki no Yona >>Furuba HAHAHAHA! Oh! Sorryz. I just read self-insert and thought that's where you were heading. I swear there are those who fap watching SAO. I really don't understand why anyone would want to fap over MoFu Kirito or his sluts. On Topic: HAHAHAHAHA~ These Americans are brainwashed by anitubers into thinking that every anime with a female MC and good looking boys around her is reverse harem. :D |
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shanimebib said: I really don't understand why anyone would want to fap over MoFu Kirito I'll enlighten you; because he is sexy. :p It's useless to try to "understand" why people are attracted to 'this character' over 'that character'. They just are. It's like preference for colors or food. |
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Orhunaa said: There was this one that deeply intrigued me, of course with an emphasis on deeply.Otome games are better than most people give credit for. Maybe try the ones with an emphasis on the story like Hakuouki, Code:Realize and (ostensibly) Collar X Malice. |
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| I feel like fujobait shows would still be more popular than ecchi reverse harems. |
| "There needs to be a reverse harem trend" Wrong. Harem needs to die out, once and for all. |
Kin-dled_101 said: Yes, sir. Harems need to die out. That's why we need a Reverse harem list. Reverse is a whole different genre and shouldn't share the same agenda as isekai big boobies. All offense given if you like Isekai trashy harem. Originally I was going to express support for more reverse harems on the same principle as to why I'd support more manservice shows existing despite the fact I wouldn't watch any of them, but this post went ahead and changed my mind. You're kind of ew and what you want to do here is most definitely ew if that's the way you want to build up reverse harems. |
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Kin-dled_101 said: Manaban said: If you're opinion of isekai harems are positive, then that's fine too. I apologize if I didn't exaggerate the humor in the post, so I'm not going to delete it or start an online battle.Originally I was going to express support for more reverse harems on the same principle as to why I'd support more manservice shows existing despite the fact I wouldn't watch any of them, but this post went ahead and changed my mind. You're kind of ew and what you want to do here is most definitely ew if that's the way you want to build up reverse harems. Responding to that guy's blunt response, I put out another blunt response to the idea of Reverse Harems having the same agenda of being fanservice or cliche. Obviously nothing is really trashy about fantasy, so I guess Poe's law made me miss the mark. If it was ew, I was trying to go for ohh, especially to a surface level post All I can say is Happy Late Thanksgiving :( I'm not American, don't celebrate the holiday |
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